1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:48,900 [Music] 2 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:19,390 [Applause] 3 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,930 but 4 00:01:25,190 --> 00:01:31,560 [Music] 5 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,800 you know miss your father it's 6 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,140 surprising how few people seem to 7 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,220 remember him 8 00:01:39,140 --> 00:01:44,820 those who do say that he wasn't a 9 00:01:41,220 --> 00:01:47,760 monster more in the mould of a hydric 10 00:01:44,820 --> 00:01:48,930 sort of an ikemen but they also endured 11 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,540 he inspired terror 12 00:01:48,930 --> 00:01:58,620 I really Campari and soda for mr. Van 13 00:01:51,540 --> 00:02:02,270 Dyke and coffee for me when you come to 14 00:01:58,620 --> 00:02:06,110 ask them what was casta like 15 00:02:02,270 --> 00:02:09,369 vade uncertain what is it better this is 16 00:02:06,110 --> 00:02:11,810 a long time ago nobody cares 17 00:02:09,369 --> 00:02:17,709 he's dead and gone the whole Nazi 18 00:02:11,810 --> 00:02:19,720 business is dead ago I wonder 19 00:02:17,709 --> 00:02:24,140 anyway that's what the program is about 20 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:26,750 we'll see why are you after Kessler it 21 00:02:24,140 --> 00:02:27,950 makes good copy I'll do it for money so 22 00:02:26,750 --> 00:02:31,310 I do it better than people to do it for 23 00:02:27,950 --> 00:02:33,140 a job don't you upset people routing 24 00:02:31,310 --> 00:02:34,700 about like this is your father let me 25 00:02:33,140 --> 00:02:37,600 tell you something public opinion just 26 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:47,569 doesn't matter ignore it it goes away I 27 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:48,920 learned that from the Nazis do you mind 28 00:02:47,569 --> 00:02:53,260 if we go to have a look at the house 29 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:53,260 before we get to your turn course not 30 00:02:57,310 --> 00:03:03,079 hello I'm Adam Dunn good morning madam 31 00:03:00,469 --> 00:03:06,370 can we go to the hotel first yes 32 00:03:03,079 --> 00:03:06,370 certainly if God is weak thank you 33 00:03:15,870 --> 00:03:19,200 if you'll excuse me mr. I have to make 34 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,970 someone then get back to their tape of 35 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,970 course I'll see you in the studios 36 00:03:31,690 --> 00:03:38,570 it's a beautiful square lime cement okay 37 00:03:36,220 --> 00:03:39,780 six years since my mother brought me 38 00:03:38,570 --> 00:03:43,410 here 39 00:03:39,780 --> 00:03:45,849 we wanna be stay tuned two weeks then 40 00:03:43,410 --> 00:03:49,900 she was taking you again 41 00:03:45,849 --> 00:03:52,139 which was your um parents house that's 42 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:52,139 one 43 00:03:57,890 --> 00:04:04,000 my mother and I came to look at it every 44 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,000 day don't you wish it is yours 45 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,910 no truly 46 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:13,850 I wouldn't want to leave Israel 47 00:04:07,910 --> 00:04:16,160 permanently I'm sorry I'm late god I've 48 00:04:13,850 --> 00:04:17,329 been talking with Ferrari he's the one 49 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,850 who runs the Candide over there I told 50 00:04:17,329 --> 00:04:21,370 you bunny he was the leader of lifeline 51 00:04:19,850 --> 00:04:23,270 during the war they even think so now 52 00:04:21,370 --> 00:04:25,010 they were the people who got over a 53 00:04:23,270 --> 00:04:28,130 thousand Allied air crew out and back to 54 00:04:25,010 --> 00:04:30,250 the United Kingdom you have to respect 55 00:04:28,130 --> 00:04:30,250 that 56 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:35,540 the bit that interests me is that 57 00:04:33,590 --> 00:04:37,700 Kessler used to eat regularly in his 58 00:04:35,540 --> 00:04:39,680 restaurant they could observe him more 59 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:44,030 closely than most yeah can you identify 60 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:46,460 him you think so but he's old now we'll 61 00:04:44,030 --> 00:04:48,050 see come along to my little 62 00:04:46,460 --> 00:04:50,060 identification parade you might even 63 00:04:48,050 --> 00:04:52,010 meet some interesting people you might 64 00:04:50,060 --> 00:04:53,090 even get some of the material you're 65 00:04:52,010 --> 00:04:56,110 looking just want to sit in the 66 00:04:53,090 --> 00:04:58,310 background no introduction oh by the way 67 00:04:56,110 --> 00:04:59,630 how did you get on with that financial 68 00:04:58,310 --> 00:05:01,610 investigation you promised to let me 69 00:04:59,630 --> 00:05:03,410 have anything you found out I said in 70 00:05:01,610 --> 00:05:04,580 exchange for it would give me let's 71 00:05:03,410 --> 00:05:09,890 exchange together shall we 72 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:12,620 I can't tell you one thing his financial 73 00:05:09,890 --> 00:05:14,210 arrangements are not ordinary hair Dorf 74 00:05:12,620 --> 00:05:16,940 has some very peculiar anomalies in his 75 00:05:14,210 --> 00:05:19,330 banking if he is Kessler could explain a 76 00:05:16,940 --> 00:05:19,330 great deal 77 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,509 [Music] 78 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:13,580 good else miss Yvonne I cleanse it 79 00:06:04,770 --> 00:06:13,580 yes other for it I'll bear but uh 80 00:06:17,830 --> 00:06:21,820 don't you know me hell there 81 00:06:24,940 --> 00:06:27,570 money 82 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:36,210 they told me they were trying to get you 83 00:06:32,310 --> 00:06:39,659 to come when you bought a lift to the 84 00:06:36,210 --> 00:06:47,090 fourth floor room 406 thank you thank 85 00:06:39,659 --> 00:06:51,840 you I had no idea we were to be together 86 00:06:47,090 --> 00:06:54,289 and how are you oh well well not so bad 87 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:54,289 for an old man 88 00:07:05,830 --> 00:07:11,570 do you still have the cone deed oh yes I 89 00:07:08,660 --> 00:07:13,100 have six other restaurants candied is 90 00:07:11,570 --> 00:07:14,870 still my favorite I still live there 91 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:16,220 can I come see the old place of course 92 00:07:14,870 --> 00:07:17,990 how long you staying 93 00:07:16,220 --> 00:07:23,810 just reading would you care to have 94 00:07:17,990 --> 00:07:25,310 dinner with me how very good of you 95 00:07:23,810 --> 00:07:28,790 birth to young all right 96 00:07:25,310 --> 00:07:30,140 but underneath it how do you do miss 97 00:07:28,790 --> 00:07:31,400 your father if you'd like to come along 98 00:07:30,140 --> 00:07:32,540 to the editing suite we can organize 99 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,000 some refreshments have a little chat 100 00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:40,970 thank you 101 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:43,880 this is a wonderful opportunity to see 102 00:07:40,970 --> 00:07:45,140 some very dear friends again yes you 103 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,460 must have seen more of Kessler than the 104 00:07:45,140 --> 00:07:48,710 most civilians in Russells during the 105 00:07:46,460 --> 00:07:50,630 world yes I suppose we did he ate 106 00:07:48,710 --> 00:07:53,300 frequently at the canteen so Monsieur 107 00:07:50,630 --> 00:07:54,830 forty was saying it really is amazing 108 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:57,400 but he never realized you were involved 109 00:07:54,830 --> 00:07:57,400 in life life 110 00:08:03,350 --> 00:08:08,620 may I introduce my assistant Ellen's own 111 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:12,680 belt and my editor win Daniel 112 00:08:08,620 --> 00:08:14,630 mrs. Dunford miss your party I do please 113 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,480 sit down I'd like you to have a looked a 114 00:08:14,630 --> 00:08:20,020 few bits of this rough assembly wind 115 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:23,480 down to the Dorf interview with Lisbon 116 00:08:20,020 --> 00:08:23,990 Dorf industries came into existence like 117 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,050 a theni 118 00:08:23,990 --> 00:08:29,230 well it grown one moment it was a bomb 119 00:08:27,050 --> 00:08:30,590 site no great time later there it was 120 00:08:29,230 --> 00:08:32,539 interesting though 121 00:08:30,590 --> 00:08:35,090 Dorf didn't put in an appearance until 122 00:08:32,539 --> 00:08:36,560 1950 what you're going to see now is 123 00:08:35,090 --> 00:08:38,840 part of an interview I managed to 124 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:44,570 browbeat him into giving me bring up the 125 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:47,050 son William please excellent facilities 126 00:08:44,570 --> 00:08:49,880 a little they don't fit is being said 127 00:08:47,050 --> 00:08:52,460 but your name is not actually Manfred or 128 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:57,350 at all but that you are really Ludwick 129 00:08:52,460 --> 00:09:00,920 Kessler native of Berlin I think your 130 00:08:57,350 --> 00:09:03,700 pop your real name is good because now 131 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,700 you were born belly 132 00:09:04,570 --> 00:09:14,990 I remember I was bowling balls 133 00:09:09,980 --> 00:09:16,760 I know of no don't we can you explain 134 00:09:14,990 --> 00:09:18,650 why there are no documents relating to 135 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,870 Manfred or prior to 1947 136 00:09:18,650 --> 00:09:22,700 no no birth certificate no record of 137 00:09:20,870 --> 00:09:25,310 parents could you turn something you 138 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:26,600 must understand that really buildings 139 00:09:25,310 --> 00:09:28,690 were destroyed in the bombing at the end 140 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:32,960 of the Second World War 141 00:09:28,690 --> 00:09:33,920 thousands of dollars lost but there's no 142 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,709 mystery 143 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,370 your late wife was Belgian I think yeah 144 00:09:36,709 --> 00:09:39,260 she was 145 00:09:37,370 --> 00:09:40,490 do you try that you were in Belgium from 146 00:09:39,260 --> 00:09:44,480 the Low Countries during the occupation 147 00:09:40,490 --> 00:09:46,940 yes I do I saw my country sit there when 148 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:50,510 will you and there's a lot more like 149 00:09:46,940 --> 00:09:52,430 that now what's your 40 do you recognize 150 00:09:50,510 --> 00:09:55,180 it off is he little bit Kessler he's 151 00:09:52,430 --> 00:09:58,670 difficult to be sure after all this time 152 00:09:55,180 --> 00:10:05,620 people change in your opinion I can't 153 00:09:58,670 --> 00:10:09,350 say the possibly missus Danford oh yes 154 00:10:05,620 --> 00:10:10,790 that man is kisser are you sure you have 155 00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:13,310 to be sure I'm quite sure there are some 156 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:15,170 things one doesn't forget as soon as I 157 00:10:13,310 --> 00:10:18,380 heard his voice the hair stood up on the 158 00:10:15,170 --> 00:10:21,740 back of my neck great thank you very 159 00:10:18,380 --> 00:10:23,000 much now if you just like to go into the 160 00:10:21,740 --> 00:10:24,529 next room with Ellen here there's 161 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,570 someone there I think you might like to 162 00:10:24,529 --> 00:10:28,570 meet I'll join you in a moment 163 00:10:39,190 --> 00:10:44,380 [Music] 164 00:10:41,460 --> 00:10:47,080 what do you mean that's two independent 165 00:10:44,380 --> 00:10:49,120 identifications to out to fine not good 166 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,710 odds mind here I need to be sure than 167 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,510 that if I'm to hand over a prosecution 168 00:10:50,710 --> 00:10:54,339 to the civil police I've dug up stuff 169 00:10:52,510 --> 00:10:55,480 that'll make your hair stand on end have 170 00:10:54,339 --> 00:10:56,529 a look at the rest of the program then 171 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,630 I'll show you the bits I had to leave 172 00:10:56,529 --> 00:11:00,640 out probably to let me have a copy of 173 00:10:58,630 --> 00:11:03,520 your program to take back to bomb we'll 174 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:06,839 be having some VHS copies made we'll see 175 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,839 that the gentleman gets a copy with you 176 00:11:23,910 --> 00:11:28,360 see you too why haven't you been back to 177 00:11:26,589 --> 00:11:30,550 see us up well you know how to use 178 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:34,060 another country another family have you 179 00:11:30,550 --> 00:11:36,310 haven't changed a bit all of you have 180 00:11:34,060 --> 00:11:38,560 you been happy do you like it yes yes 181 00:11:36,310 --> 00:11:41,380 it's been good I've got a 24 year old 182 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:42,910 son now you know Michael his name is he 183 00:11:41,380 --> 00:11:44,830 wants to join the army like his father 184 00:11:42,910 --> 00:11:48,420 but Stephen said no there'll be plenty 185 00:11:44,830 --> 00:11:48,420 of time to talk of such things 186 00:11:51,510 --> 00:11:57,130 Hugo will be Danny 187 00:11:53,080 --> 00:12:03,339 oh there you didn't tell me was a 188 00:11:57,130 --> 00:12:06,100 surprise and that interview with Kessler 189 00:12:03,339 --> 00:12:08,740 it was Kessler you know there's yes 190 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:10,990 that's what I said I wasn't sure I said 191 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:16,030 I wasn't prepared to be definite 192 00:12:10,990 --> 00:12:17,560 in any event what does it matter oh here 193 00:12:16,030 --> 00:12:19,180 you are I'm glad to see you Lenny's 194 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:20,680 looking after you shall we take our 195 00:12:19,180 --> 00:12:22,510 coffee and things around the table we're 196 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:27,520 gonna have a chat mrs. Dunphy do please 197 00:12:22,510 --> 00:12:31,860 supply thank you we had some chocolate 198 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,860 cake oh why did she want to speak to 199 00:12:32,340 --> 00:12:38,470 Hugo yes there's a Miss Rock wanting to 200 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,760 see you her she do we know her no but 201 00:12:38,470 --> 00:12:42,400 she said she got a letter you sent her 202 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,810 mother in Israel I say all right 203 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,880 I stick her in the editing so we don't 204 00:12:43,810 --> 00:12:47,500 be on a minute could you send out to the 205 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:51,280 fourth floor I'll meet her at the lift I 206 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:54,160 won't ask what this is really a need yes 207 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,720 of course you may as you probably know I 208 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,610 do a regular TV program called in our 209 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,870 time it tries to be investigative 210 00:12:57,610 --> 00:13:00,310 controversial looks into contemporary 211 00:12:58,870 --> 00:13:02,680 questions matters of public interest and 212 00:13:00,310 --> 00:13:04,390 so on now the program that is going out 213 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:06,340 on Wednesday examines the whole question 214 00:13:04,390 --> 00:13:09,880 of Nazi war criminals which is coming to 215 00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:13,270 focus again in several countries we all 216 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:15,060 try to forget the war I've been 217 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:17,110 scratching around this subject for years 218 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:18,280 there's a great deal more material than 219 00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:20,770 you've seen you wouldn't believe what 220 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,850 still goes on in Europe and South 221 00:13:20,770 --> 00:13:25,000 America I kid you not 222 00:13:21,850 --> 00:13:26,680 Nazism exists today like a giant mafia 223 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,780 throughout Germany in Europe I can't 224 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:32,950 believe that you tuned into the program 225 00:13:28,780 --> 00:13:34,330 my friend to make your hair tell alright 226 00:13:32,950 --> 00:13:48,190 look I'll just get rid of this girl and 227 00:13:34,330 --> 00:13:50,260 I'll be right back please hello i'm hugo 228 00:13:48,190 --> 00:13:53,260 van Eyck I don't think we met I can give 229 00:13:50,260 --> 00:13:57,550 you a couple of minutes Michal luck hmm 230 00:13:53,260 --> 00:14:00,580 from Tel Aviv you wrote to my mother 231 00:13:57,550 --> 00:14:04,210 several weeks ago it was about the man 232 00:14:00,580 --> 00:14:05,560 Kessler well to be honest we wrote to 233 00:14:04,210 --> 00:14:08,110 many people who had possibly suffered 234 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:10,150 due to this man oh I see yes we wrote a 235 00:14:08,110 --> 00:14:12,640 great many letters your letter did not 236 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:17,110 say why you were inquiring but I found 237 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:18,430 out you think Ezra did not die I'm sure 238 00:14:17,110 --> 00:14:19,000 he didn't but unfortunately I can't 239 00:14:18,430 --> 00:14:22,600 prove it 240 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:25,360 I want to know it is important to me 241 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:29,100 because you good mother Kessler send my 242 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,100 mother and a family to the house ah 243 00:14:30,319 --> 00:14:34,829 have you got the Israeli file Ellen did 244 00:14:33,329 --> 00:14:37,980 you bother tell you that yes my mother 245 00:14:34,829 --> 00:14:39,329 survived you see he wanted their house 246 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:43,079 what did you say her name was 247 00:14:39,329 --> 00:14:45,810 Michal luck he wanted their house 248 00:14:43,079 --> 00:14:48,420 neither gone place for his clerks to 249 00:14:45,810 --> 00:14:50,190 work him my family were Jewish so 250 00:14:48,420 --> 00:14:52,470 instead of just having my mother two 251 00:14:50,190 --> 00:14:54,420 brothers and my grandparents thrown out 252 00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:56,160 onto the street he sent them to Dachau 253 00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:58,319 was your mother the only one that 254 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:02,100 survived I don't think she ever really 255 00:14:58,319 --> 00:15:04,680 left a huh what do you mean you know the 256 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:06,240 old story she watched her baby brothers 257 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,690 heads being smashed to the part by a 258 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,579 guard 259 00:15:06,690 --> 00:15:10,050 she found that one of the bodies that 260 00:15:08,579 --> 00:15:11,399 she was loading into a furnace for 261 00:15:10,050 --> 00:15:15,750 better for father how old was your 262 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:18,120 mother when she was taken 17 after her 263 00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:19,680 parents and brothers were all dead she 264 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,190 managed to keep her life because she was 265 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,380 young 266 00:15:20,190 --> 00:15:28,730 that's good Sara six of the guards for 267 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:31,050 extra food see she died last March I 268 00:15:28,730 --> 00:15:34,019 buried her in the war cemetry outside 269 00:15:31,050 --> 00:15:37,949 Tel Aviv I found you letter among her 270 00:15:34,019 --> 00:15:41,730 pleas in a sanatorium what happens your 271 00:15:37,949 --> 00:15:43,019 father I never knew it I don't think my 272 00:15:41,730 --> 00:15:45,540 mother even knew his name 273 00:15:43,019 --> 00:15:48,600 she spent most of her life in their 274 00:15:45,540 --> 00:15:51,110 asylum in Tel Aviv for a short while she 275 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,610 lived in a kibbutz 276 00:15:51,110 --> 00:15:57,000 at the time of the sweets operation 277 00:15:53,610 --> 00:15:59,310 that's when I was conceived why did she 278 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,319 leave the kibbutz after she left da 279 00:15:59,310 --> 00:16:03,149 Holland came to Israel she was never 280 00:16:01,319 --> 00:16:05,459 truly Saint for more than a few weeks at 281 00:16:03,149 --> 00:16:07,310 a time while she was pregnant with me 282 00:16:05,459 --> 00:16:11,360 they had to send her back to the asylum 283 00:16:07,310 --> 00:16:11,360 she was still there when she died 284 00:16:23,860 --> 00:16:30,290 and I can't speak to you he doesn't oh 285 00:16:29,020 --> 00:16:34,490 excuse me 286 00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:38,000 I shan't be a moment but surely you 287 00:16:34,490 --> 00:16:39,890 don't fly oh you mean because of this I 288 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,590 was flying yonkers eighty-eights for two 289 00:16:39,890 --> 00:16:46,130 years after this happened haha I was the 290 00:16:42,590 --> 00:16:48,170 original automatic pilot ha ha ha I come 291 00:16:46,130 --> 00:16:49,580 straight to the pint head director the 292 00:16:48,170 --> 00:16:54,080 bankers of the opinion that Talmud has 293 00:16:49,580 --> 00:16:57,800 been investigating your accounts can you 294 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:59,000 be sure about this bankers are aware of 295 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,760 woman of their pranks is being 296 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,620 investigated it seldom happens to 297 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:07,010 someone of your status here later 298 00:17:03,620 --> 00:17:13,090 I should there be a search credit where 299 00:17:07,010 --> 00:17:13,090 the news is obvious excuse me 300 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:20,140 there's no means of checking the source 301 00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:22,750 this unwarranted intrusion into private 302 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:24,459 affairs I have nothing to hide as you 303 00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:25,030 must know but I rather resent that it 304 00:17:24,459 --> 00:17:28,179 should happen 305 00:17:25,030 --> 00:17:30,429 dddd we were first alerted to the 306 00:17:28,179 --> 00:17:32,679 possibility by Becker and Seberg in 307 00:17:30,429 --> 00:17:35,650 London British Bankers a highly 308 00:17:32,679 --> 00:17:38,169 sensitive in statistics and we feel that 309 00:17:35,650 --> 00:17:40,929 all eight accounts with us both private 310 00:17:38,169 --> 00:17:43,740 and company accounts and the handles 311 00:17:40,929 --> 00:17:43,740 bank in Amsterdam 312 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,860 I imagine that such an investigation 313 00:17:47,520 --> 00:18:00,270 could only happen through an official 314 00:17:49,860 --> 00:18:01,799 source in your case yes does it make 315 00:18:00,270 --> 00:18:03,960 that much difference no but if it's 316 00:18:01,799 --> 00:18:06,419 social we'll go for a drink actually 317 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,870 it's official but not terribly so if you 318 00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:12,000 for me no but don't keep me in suspense 319 00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:13,980 it's your area Tom they want your West 320 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:18,510 German pals to do a bit of sipping 321 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:20,399 points oh yes have a look at this it's 322 00:18:18,510 --> 00:18:23,159 an interview stuff for the Belgian TV 323 00:18:20,399 --> 00:18:24,630 programme VRT centre to the BBC for 324 00:18:23,159 --> 00:18:26,279 comment and help with archive film 325 00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:28,860 investigative journalism that sort of 326 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:33,149 thing I just had it slung at me by the 327 00:18:28,860 --> 00:18:34,770 jic anybody we know yes and no by which 328 00:18:33,149 --> 00:18:37,309 I mean we know the man didn't know he 329 00:18:34,770 --> 00:18:41,490 was possibly a war criminal in a Nazi 330 00:18:37,309 --> 00:18:43,559 rather embarrassing I didn't think 331 00:18:41,490 --> 00:18:44,070 anybody cared now this one's a bit 332 00:18:43,559 --> 00:18:47,279 different 333 00:18:44,070 --> 00:18:48,740 he's an industrialist bigwig gunman does 334 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:51,000 a lot of business with his organization 335 00:18:48,740 --> 00:18:52,830 last year we gave permission for him to 336 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,520 build a factory here in the UK 337 00:18:52,830 --> 00:18:58,740 it's all big egg on a FaceTime well what 338 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,419 do you want me to do about it but I 339 00:18:58,740 --> 00:19:04,350 can't actually attach it if you follow 340 00:19:00,419 --> 00:19:06,240 me officially I mean can you push the 341 00:19:04,350 --> 00:19:10,020 bait into your friends court possibly 342 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,830 uh-huh you want the jurors to put their 343 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:13,169 house in order 344 00:19:10,830 --> 00:19:14,640 yeah something like that can you torture 345 00:19:13,169 --> 00:19:16,799 opposite number and get him organized 346 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,020 while the water is still warm they seem 347 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:20,399 to be on the fringes it is well I'll 348 00:19:19,020 --> 00:19:22,320 have a look at your stuff and see what I 349 00:19:20,399 --> 00:19:24,649 can do bye John 350 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,649 bye mark 351 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:42,330 I don't care what you say Maura I am 352 00:19:39,330 --> 00:19:45,330 being investigated well it's not the 353 00:19:42,330 --> 00:19:47,750 Bureau ID no I assure you I want to know 354 00:19:45,330 --> 00:19:49,800 if there's anything official about it 355 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:51,900 are you sure you're being investigated 356 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,690 I've been around long enough to know by 357 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:57,510 instinct but there have been questions 358 00:19:54,690 --> 00:20:01,050 asked my bank have said they think it's 359 00:19:57,510 --> 00:20:02,700 happening question is who that question 360 00:20:01,050 --> 00:20:06,990 was to be followed by why and how much 361 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:11,940 do they know has anyone got a reason no 362 00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:13,290 to my mind there's only one answer you 363 00:20:11,940 --> 00:20:16,530 remember the television interview I gave 364 00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:18,060 to that Belgian fine Ike well he thinks 365 00:20:16,530 --> 00:20:20,700 he's discovered my identity but he can't 366 00:20:18,060 --> 00:20:21,960 prove it I sensed at the time he wasn't 367 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:23,760 gonna leave the matter there it's my 368 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,460 guess that he's in touch with someone 369 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,500 here in the bureau someone who's 370 00:20:26,460 --> 00:20:31,880 starting these inquiries and please 371 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:31,880 check it out mouth 372 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:45,399 and if it is one of your people get him 373 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:48,610 off our back well that seems suspicious 374 00:20:45,399 --> 00:20:49,659 and your the interview they've got then 375 00:20:48,610 --> 00:20:53,850 it's up to you to see that it's done 376 00:20:49,659 --> 00:20:53,850 without suspicion isn't it Maura 377 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:09,450 Mara is not the man he once was 378 00:21:06,010 --> 00:21:11,770 we might have to think of replacing him 379 00:21:09,450 --> 00:21:12,910 have your people in Brussels managed to 380 00:21:11,770 --> 00:21:17,640 do anything about that television 381 00:21:12,910 --> 00:21:19,990 interview no what about the man fan Ike 382 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:23,050 it is not so easy with a well-known 383 00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:24,400 personality it might prove dangerous and 384 00:21:23,050 --> 00:21:26,500 when the program goes out it belt him 385 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,120 tonight make sure that you are away 386 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:30,130 somewhere and cannot be called for 387 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:31,930 interviews and they can have no evidence 388 00:21:30,130 --> 00:21:33,130 that would satisfy a court in a couple 389 00:21:31,930 --> 00:21:34,930 of months or so no one will even 390 00:21:33,130 --> 00:21:50,560 remember the name of the program let 391 00:21:34,930 --> 00:21:53,110 alone your car today I just wish I knew 392 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,360 exactly what this program was about I 393 00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:57,760 will try to find out before you leave 394 00:21:55,360 --> 00:22:01,500 for England in the meantime I think you 395 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,500 should stay away from the factory 396 00:22:04,050 --> 00:22:09,530 [Music] 397 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:11,299 you know as well as I do that the moment 398 00:22:09,530 --> 00:22:13,549 the spotlight is on email just disappear 399 00:22:11,299 --> 00:22:15,080 into the woodwork there is months of 400 00:22:13,549 --> 00:22:17,510 research sitting up there in those files 401 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,890 these pools of tape when this program 402 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:20,330 goes out tonight it's gonna knock them 403 00:22:18,890 --> 00:22:22,130 sideways and that means it's good for 404 00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:24,140 another two maybe three programs I'm 405 00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:26,450 gonna milk it and I'm not having anyone 406 00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:28,039 home you gonna my work understand you 407 00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:30,230 don't care what that man has done to my 408 00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:32,900 family and thousands like that girl love 409 00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:34,730 I care about making the best possible TV 410 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:37,039 programs about subjects I think interest 411 00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:39,470 people personal Crusades against a bunch 412 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:42,440 of geriatric Nazis just don't ring the 413 00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:44,090 cash register whim see if you can make 414 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:48,830 him drop his eyes when I asked him about 415 00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:52,970 Brussels they are you still here 416 00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:54,409 just tell me where he lives look I had 417 00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:56,690 to take this program to be done I'll 418 00:22:54,409 --> 00:22:59,150 make a deal with you I'll give you 419 00:22:56,690 --> 00:23:01,190 Dolph's address in return you will give 420 00:22:59,150 --> 00:23:04,340 me any information you'll find a link 421 00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:06,610 them to Kessler right that's a deal the 422 00:23:04,340 --> 00:23:09,260 deal includes you giving me everything 423 00:23:06,610 --> 00:23:11,299 before I give you anything other than 424 00:23:09,260 --> 00:23:13,340 this basic info sheet on Dolph 425 00:23:11,299 --> 00:23:14,809 which Ln will photocopy for you now will 426 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:21,940 you please get the hell out of here I 427 00:23:14,809 --> 00:23:21,940 have work to do thank you 428 00:23:23,850 --> 00:23:33,480 good evening colonel I'll tell father 429 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:35,750 you're here thank you kind of rockets 430 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,750 here 431 00:23:41,260 --> 00:23:47,470 did you succeed partially I managed to 432 00:23:45,130 --> 00:23:49,419 get hold of a VHS of the program 433 00:23:47,470 --> 00:23:51,850 material being transmitted in Belgium 434 00:23:49,419 --> 00:23:53,590 tonight France you wanna see it now yes 435 00:23:51,850 --> 00:23:55,890 yes of course we'll watch it in the 436 00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:55,890 study 437 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:37,410 [Music] 438 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:54,920 [Music] 439 00:24:55,259 --> 00:25:01,749 tonight in our time turns its attention 440 00:24:57,940 --> 00:25:02,860 to the subject of Nazi recent events in 441 00:25:01,749 --> 00:25:05,350 Europe have alerted us to the 442 00:25:02,860 --> 00:25:07,649 possibility the fascism may once again 443 00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:09,669 be rising in certain areas of Europe 444 00:25:07,649 --> 00:25:12,610 threatening the peace and stability of 445 00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:15,159 fell posing a menace to minority groups 446 00:25:12,610 --> 00:25:17,720 such as the Jews were already suffered 447 00:25:15,159 --> 00:25:20,779 so much during the last half century 448 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,779 [Music] 449 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,629 is it a question of certain elements 450 00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:25,889 among the young wishing to assert 451 00:25:24,629 --> 00:25:29,850 themselves under the guise of national 452 00:25:25,889 --> 00:25:32,129 socialism is it the latter-day writings 453 00:25:29,850 --> 00:25:34,860 of the old Nazi guard who survived the 454 00:25:32,129 --> 00:25:37,409 Damis of Hitler's Germany or is it a 455 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:39,299 deeply felt and deeply concealed wish of 456 00:25:37,409 --> 00:25:41,999 those who once supported the regime's of 457 00:25:39,299 --> 00:25:44,460 Hitler Mussolini and Franco but the 458 00:25:41,999 --> 00:25:47,220 trials and obvious benefits brought by 459 00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:50,129 dictatorships outweigh the curtailing of 460 00:25:47,220 --> 00:25:51,779 human rights and feelings we will be 461 00:25:50,129 --> 00:25:54,269 speaking with at least one important 462 00:25:51,779 --> 00:25:57,210 German industrialist a well known figure 463 00:25:54,269 --> 00:26:00,330 throughout the West whose background may 464 00:25:57,210 --> 00:26:01,919 not be all that it seems just outside of 465 00:26:00,330 --> 00:26:03,960 Buenos Aires there is a Township called 466 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:06,299 the Gasca where there's a small 467 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:09,600 community of ex-nazis living in modest 468 00:26:06,299 --> 00:26:12,330 circumstances they speak German most of 469 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:15,090 the town speaks German there we found 470 00:26:12,330 --> 00:26:17,759 carl gottlieb ground how chuff your 471 00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:19,710 engine possess s for a second in command 472 00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:21,629 of imagina concentration camp where he 473 00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:23,730 was known as the swinger a man whose 474 00:26:21,629 --> 00:26:25,559 vile practice it was to pick up little 475 00:26:23,730 --> 00:26:27,539 children and small babies by their 476 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:30,139 ankles and dash their brains out against 477 00:26:27,539 --> 00:26:30,139 the nearest wall 478 00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:59,050 no I don't know otherwise the swinger I 479 00:27:27,670 --> 00:27:33,230 am standing now in front of the central 480 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:38,180 office block of Dorf industries in 481 00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:40,490 Krefeld this multi-million multinational 482 00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:42,980 organization one of the largest 483 00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:45,760 manufacturers plastics pharmaceutical 484 00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:48,790 compounds and explosives in Europe today 485 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:52,310 it is apparently owned and run by 486 00:27:48,790 --> 00:27:54,500 Manfred Dorf a highly respected citizen 487 00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:57,380 of West Germany with business interests 488 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:59,540 in Switzerland Holland Austria and the 489 00:27:57,380 --> 00:28:02,690 UK but where did the money come from 490 00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:05,830 that built this industrial giant we're 491 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:09,230 in point of fact did her dog come from 492 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:11,300 in Belgium the older generation have 493 00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:14,060 good reason to remember a certain SS 494 00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:15,620 standartenfuhrer who is in charge of 495 00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:16,420 internal security throughout the 496 00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:20,080 occupation 497 00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:23,420 his name was kessler certain links 498 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:26,270 certain coincidences made us decide to 499 00:28:23,420 --> 00:28:27,500 have a closer look at hair Dorf in 500 00:28:26,270 --> 00:28:29,720 Krefeld 501 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:31,789 we were granted an interview during 502 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:35,030 which I made it my business to ask some 503 00:28:31,789 --> 00:28:37,789 unexpected questions the door that has 504 00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:40,940 been said but your name is not actually 505 00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:46,100 Manfred Dorf at all but you are really 506 00:28:40,940 --> 00:28:49,280 Ludwig cassia native of Berlin I beg 507 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:53,390 your pardon your real name is Murphy 508 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:54,530 Kessler you were born in Berlin it's 509 00:28:53,390 --> 00:29:01,240 quite untrue 510 00:28:54,530 --> 00:29:04,520 I meant for Delilah's oh I know it low 511 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,380 Tesla can you explain why there are no 512 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,440 documents relating to Manfred dwarfed 513 00:29:06,380 --> 00:29:12,260 prior to 1947 no no birth certificate no 514 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,870 record of parents you must understand 515 00:29:12,260 --> 00:29:16,220 that windy buildings were destroyed in 516 00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:17,590 the bombing of the end of the Second 517 00:29:16,220 --> 00:29:24,250 World War 518 00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:24,250 thousands of Boston there's no mystery 519 00:29:25,670 --> 00:29:29,809 [Music] 520 00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:49,690 [Music] 521 00:29:49,940 --> 00:29:55,080 we will be devoting future programs to 522 00:29:52,679 --> 00:29:57,600 the continuation of our search join us 523 00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:01,940 again next week for another program on 524 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,940 the major issue in our time 525 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:09,260 [Music] 526 00:30:11,890 --> 00:30:17,460 [Music] 527 00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:31,399 so he got away with it well what does it 528 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:33,289 matter there are other things now that 529 00:30:31,399 --> 00:30:34,610 man was Kessler and he should be made to 530 00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:37,370 pay for what he did 531 00:30:34,610 --> 00:30:40,490 I wonder he was fighting for his country 532 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:42,890 in his own way I didn't think any of us 533 00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:45,230 have the right to accuse him oh he had 534 00:30:42,890 --> 00:30:49,309 hundreds of people killed so did every 535 00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:51,279 general in the war on both sides are you 536 00:30:49,309 --> 00:30:53,690 saying urine bag and all that was a fuss 537 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:56,419 what are we supposed to do oh don't 538 00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:59,090 let's quarrel about things long past now 539 00:30:56,419 --> 00:31:03,440 look I've been saving this for a very 540 00:30:59,090 --> 00:31:04,970 special occasion and this is it I'm sure 541 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,210 you're going to enjoy this you haven't 542 00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:07,210 changed 543 00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:19,140 in her a perhaps it wasn't Kessler at 544 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:22,190 all it was him I agree it was him may 545 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:22,190 all be making a terrible mistake 546 00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:28,740 anyway what does it matter it's too late 547 00:31:25,670 --> 00:31:30,870 the time to punish is not over a quarter 548 00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:35,940 of a century after the event you just 549 00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:38,520 want to forget it I don't want to forget 550 00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:42,600 it it's just it's just that well oh 551 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:45,600 don't ask me no I'll ask the survivors 552 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,370 of Auschwitz and Belson I don't think 553 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,770 you'll find much inclination there to 554 00:31:47,370 --> 00:31:54,660 forgive and forget and I don't blame 555 00:31:49,770 --> 00:31:57,360 them I can never forget this has 556 00:31:54,660 --> 00:32:01,310 depressed us all quite enough now let's 557 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:09,590 enjoy this good Connie and Natalie money 558 00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:12,540 to you and absent friends absent friend 559 00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:15,300 but surely you can lean on him a little 560 00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:16,650 so we may enjoy public popularity but 561 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:20,390 after all he's only a glorified 562 00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:20,390 journalist this is too dangerous 563 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:29,810 you know as well as I do Manfred the 564 00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:32,270 security of the organization must come 565 00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:34,880 first and what about the individual what 566 00:32:32,270 --> 00:32:38,840 about me I have taken years to build up 567 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:40,790 this my industries it's not a little 568 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,770 thing it is not a little Sam the 569 00:32:40,790 --> 00:32:48,490 organization has contributed to set it 570 00:32:42,770 --> 00:32:50,660 up time II went to earth Manfred 571 00:32:48,490 --> 00:32:52,850 disappear for six months closed the 572 00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:56,630 house tonight go to the country to a 573 00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:58,010 hotel your house anywhere no no I'm 574 00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:59,840 doing London at the trade conference 575 00:32:58,010 --> 00:33:01,970 next week I shall go as planned and stay 576 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:07,100 here until I go and if the press pick it 577 00:33:01,970 --> 00:33:08,960 up it becomes official then you my dear 578 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:11,750 hands would have to instruct a camera to 579 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,480 get me out which you will do because I 580 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:15,170 have the key to the money box and if I 581 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,490 have to go 582 00:33:15,170 --> 00:33:20,570 it comes with me with me heads and 583 00:33:18,490 --> 00:33:23,350 nobody will be able to touch it without 584 00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:23,350 my agreement 585 00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:56,950 that's not don't know are they alone 586 00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:58,240 she's let me set off one alarm and I had 587 00:33:56,950 --> 00:34:00,270 a word with Carl Gooden to give me a 588 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:04,750 hand 589 00:34:00,270 --> 00:34:08,370 find out who it is I'll tell father Carl 590 00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:08,370 take them around the back of the house 591 00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:30,850 what are you doing here 592 00:34:25,929 --> 00:34:32,740 I came to see her dope legitimate 593 00:34:30,850 --> 00:34:36,129 businesses use the front door go and 594 00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:38,790 tell her doc we have an intruder put 595 00:34:36,129 --> 00:34:38,790 your hands on the table 596 00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:56,829 Hotel lista man 597 00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:10,309 me Carlock shoot 598 00:35:32,370 --> 00:35:38,940 [Music] 599 00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:49,470 what's happening what's been going on 600 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,420 out there I think she was Jewish that 601 00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:53,280 girl her name was Nick hell rack she had 602 00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:55,350 an Israeli passport did you find out 603 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,440 anything else about her she got away in 604 00:35:55,350 --> 00:36:00,570 a Belgium registered car dxh something 605 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,280 or other that was all was it no I found 606 00:36:00,570 --> 00:36:06,180 a room key on her from the hotel mr. man 607 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:09,619 go on that's it I'm afraid I think this 608 00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:09,619 is for Maori to attend to 609 00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:33,789 mara Dorf 610 00:36:30,279 --> 00:36:35,410 now listen carefully the tempt has just 611 00:36:33,789 --> 00:36:37,630 been made to get into my house by as an 612 00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:41,319 Israeli girl exactly 613 00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:42,999 Israeli she was driving a car with a 614 00:36:41,319 --> 00:36:46,869 Belgian license spec beginning with the 615 00:36:42,999 --> 00:36:51,249 letters D X H I agree from Belgium it's 616 00:36:46,869 --> 00:36:52,299 too much of a coincidence I'll expect 617 00:36:51,249 --> 00:36:58,749 your man in half an hour 618 00:36:52,299 --> 00:37:00,969 I suggest you do exactly that mr. Mallen 619 00:36:58,749 --> 00:37:04,619 hotel this is the one by the station is 620 00:37:00,969 --> 00:37:07,749 it yes yes I think so 621 00:37:04,619 --> 00:37:10,719 then why are the Israelis after you 622 00:37:07,749 --> 00:37:13,420 Manfred you didn't persecute the Jews as 623 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,519 far as I remember no I don't see that as 624 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:17,259 a motive no the fact that this girl has 625 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:22,299 come from Belgium implies a connection 626 00:37:17,259 --> 00:37:26,049 with this fan Mike we really must do 627 00:37:22,299 --> 00:37:26,979 something about him it's the best lead 628 00:37:26,049 --> 00:37:30,869 we've had Karl 629 00:37:26,979 --> 00:37:30,869 Kessler's a bigwig we know he is 630 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:38,090 we just lie down time and watch you lead 631 00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:40,280 us straight to the camera division then 632 00:37:38,090 --> 00:37:49,460 we can break them once a fall that will 633 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:50,180 take more than you or I Richard Barr you 634 00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:53,900 have a call for me 635 00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:58,390 ah what if you unscramble 38 will you 636 00:37:53,900 --> 00:38:02,420 please Bauer 637 00:37:58,390 --> 00:38:08,420 hello Tom richard has the van Eyck door 638 00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:10,550 faint have you been transmitted yet is 639 00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:15,070 your department officially interested 640 00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:17,240 enough to do anything about this why not 641 00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:18,560 let me call you back when I have some 642 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:28,730 more information which may not be all 643 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:32,080 that long no if you get an official go 644 00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:35,080 ahead you will let me know won't you 645 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,080 bye 646 00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:46,320 Tom Deacon mi6 Lundy wanted to know if 647 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:50,780 I'd seen the BRT thing there's another 648 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:53,700 thing well my calls are being monitored 649 00:38:50,780 --> 00:39:00,110 you can tell it is impossible to know I 650 00:38:53,700 --> 00:39:00,110 can tell I don't feel it in my name mr. 651 00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:06,380 Bauer 652 00:39:07,850 --> 00:39:17,500 yes sir not at all sir 653 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:17,500 I'll come along right away 654 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,680 that didn't take long 655 00:39:31,630 --> 00:39:35,050 you expect 656 00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:42,070 well Richard 657 00:39:55,570 --> 00:40:01,160 Arijit I'll be watching your work in 658 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:04,670 this department with some interest your 659 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,470 keen efficient well liked by your 660 00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:07,790 colleagues and by those with whom we 661 00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:13,430 cooperate abroad 662 00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:15,859 that's good excellent but sometimes we 663 00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:18,320 allow our enthusiasm to persuade us to a 664 00:40:15,859 --> 00:40:23,890 course of action which without knowing 665 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:27,920 it is not wished by our superiors I 666 00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:29,630 cigarette a lot of these they're not 667 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:34,280 very heavily scented I have them made up 668 00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:36,340 in London they could no I don't very 669 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,340 well 670 00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:45,980 now you've been pursuing a case of a man 671 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:47,480 fred door may I ask why he was put 672 00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:49,400 forward in a television interview as 673 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,080 being exercised war criminal Ludovic 674 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,150 Kessler seemed to me a matter for 675 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:57,050 investigation so I took the normal 676 00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:59,390 investigative steps unfortunately 677 00:40:57,050 --> 00:41:02,619 another section of our department is 678 00:40:59,390 --> 00:41:05,060 interested in this and in other matters 679 00:41:02,619 --> 00:41:06,920 and they are extremely angry that a 680 00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:10,940 member of my staff should without 681 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:14,020 consulting anyone a prejudice their case 682 00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:16,339 by ill-considered and precipitate action 683 00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:18,440 ID Richard you put me in a most 684 00:41:16,339 --> 00:41:22,339 difficult position I'm sorry sir I 685 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:26,180 didn't know this man 686 00:41:22,339 --> 00:41:28,849 Dorf is Kessler it's very much a matter 687 00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:30,710 for this bureau surely we do not pursue 688 00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:32,270 war criminals long after the statute of 689 00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:35,030 limitations has passed it's a waste of 690 00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:39,230 time and money I was merely trying to 691 00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:40,970 keep the files up to date well I think 692 00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:43,040 in view of the inevitable press 693 00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:45,859 intervention that it might be as well if 694 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,589 you took your annual leave we'll make it 695 00:41:45,859 --> 00:41:50,570 up to two months that'll give it all 696 00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:54,800 time to blow over save us a lot of 697 00:41:50,570 --> 00:41:56,680 embarrassment they all I don't really 698 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,869 want to go on leave sir 699 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,720 My dear Richard I'm not suggesting 700 00:41:58,869 --> 00:42:03,940 you've got a move I'm ordering you to it 701 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,500 if the minister's get wind of this 702 00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:07,119 they'll be all hell to pay and I don't 703 00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:15,930 want to members of my stuff on the 704 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:15,930 carpet now do i from tomorrow right 705 00:42:30,930 --> 00:42:35,960 Belgian papers are full of it look 706 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,770 can you say where her doll face she has 707 00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:50,600 gone to the country head Gulf of 708 00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:52,700 Thailand off have got away I have no 709 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,020 idea when expose to a town I can give 710 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:54,770 you no more information do you don't 711 00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:56,150 leave a message 712 00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:59,440 there's nothing I can so where is her 713 00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:59,440 death no I'm sorry I'm 714 00:43:19,330 --> 00:43:22,400 [Music] 715 00:43:36,090 --> 00:43:44,770 thank you hello hello we have I've been 716 00:43:42,370 --> 00:43:49,150 to dogs house but they seem to have left 717 00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:52,390 the place is surrounded by reporters yes 718 00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:55,150 I'm certain I'm going to drive out to 719 00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:56,920 the factory and check if he's not there 720 00:43:55,150 --> 00:43:59,410 we must assume he's gone out to the 721 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,940 country at rest at least it's worth a 722 00:43:59,410 --> 00:44:02,970 try right 723 00:44:00,940 --> 00:44:06,700 I'll pack our stuff and settle the bill 724 00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:12,060 see you in about half an hour half an 725 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:12,060 hour don't go to sleep bad 726 00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:33,849 I couldn't go not without saying goodbye 727 00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:36,720 come back bring Stephen and they all sat 728 00:44:33,849 --> 00:44:36,720 next time we have plenty 729 00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:44,100 they didn't seem to be much time 730 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,100 everything went so quickly 731 00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:53,359 your own direct tomorrow please head off 732 00:45:57,670 --> 00:46:03,560 mara have you seen the Belgian papers 733 00:46:00,530 --> 00:46:05,060 this morning and I should be extremely 734 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:09,260 upset of anything like that appeared an 735 00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:11,410 Olive Press yes I think you'd better do 736 00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:20,480 that have you managed to trace that 737 00:46:11,410 --> 00:46:22,280 Israeli girl yet should I contact 738 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,310 Colonel looking for you no no I'll do 739 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,310 that 740 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:32,900 please let Franz go with you everywhere 741 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:34,310 now don't be so silly if anything 742 00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:36,410 happened to you there's no one else who 743 00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:38,840 has access to the Swiss economist don't 744 00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:39,910 you worry about that I'm not exactly new 745 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:47,870 to living under difficult conditions 746 00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:49,300 you're an old man come around in the 747 00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:52,130 Bekaa Laurel 748 00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:53,870 they still hold Germany's destiny and 749 00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:56,150 control much more than you or anyone 750 00:46:53,870 --> 00:47:02,270 else imagines don't forget that you will 751 00:46:56,150 --> 00:47:05,150 be foolish to do so the bureau decides 752 00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:07,280 to make you escape it will make the 753 00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:10,010 money available to them to us that 754 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,350 contingency is taken care there's no 755 00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:13,550 need to concern yourself or your friends 756 00:47:12,350 --> 00:47:16,280 why not 757 00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:17,810 because whatever funds are available go 758 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,780 directly to the camera Dan Becker 759 00:47:17,810 --> 00:47:24,020 controllers your friends do not come 760 00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:25,430 into it by the only active organization 761 00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:27,740 to lead Germany back to National 762 00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:29,480 Socialism do you think those old fools 763 00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:31,760 living in Brazil and Paraguay ever going 764 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,740 to do anything are the toothless old 765 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,780 refugees pretending to be Hitler's old 766 00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:37,700 guard waiting for the tag that will 767 00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:39,050 never come waiting for their rash 768 00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:42,260 lighter to lead Germany back to 769 00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:44,200 supremacy that's so stupid 770 00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:47,630 you were happy enough to be part of it 771 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:50,900 not so many years ago but it was father 772 00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:52,430 light years ago there a young men in 773 00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:54,410 Germany who are not talking of the old 774 00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:57,830 days and crying over their uniforms is 775 00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:59,330 that what you think of me not you not 776 00:47:57,830 --> 00:48:02,840 the colonel 777 00:47:59,330 --> 00:48:05,070 you're both different the young people 778 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:08,580 worship you and Colonel rocket 779 00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:13,860 forget the old guard join the young ones 780 00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:15,750 lead us Ingrid your friends doubtlessly 781 00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:18,450 mean well but they are children without 782 00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:20,070 purpose without faith throwing bombs 783 00:48:18,450 --> 00:48:22,800 killing a few Jews hijacking planes 784 00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:24,060 making hostages of old men these are the 785 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,500 trappings of foolishness they are 786 00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:30,420 pointless senseless futile your brave 787 00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:32,360 young friends are no better and no 788 00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:35,820 different from the baader-meinhof 789 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,470 lunatics if you imagine a new Germany 790 00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:42,270 will grow from such beginnings then you 791 00:48:37,470 --> 00:48:44,690 are not my daughter and I believe that 792 00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:44,690 you are 793 00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:11,050 [Music] 794 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,070 goatee 795 00:49:40,099 --> 00:49:43,099 Multi 796 00:49:49,340 --> 00:49:52,210 booty 797 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,340 od 798 00:50:59,740 --> 00:52:20,860 [Music]